TAPPER: Let’s turn from the military way it’s being fought here to the efforts to protect democracy in the United States. You’re the vice chair of the January 6th Committee.
“The New York Times” reporting this morning that your Committee has concluded that you have enough evidence to make a criminal referral for President Trump to the Justice Department for obstructing an official proceeding and for conspiracy to defraud the United States.

Is that true? Do you have enough evidence to refer Trump for criminal charges?

CHENEY: Well, we have not made a decision about referrals on the Committee.

I think that it is absolutely the case, it’s absolutely clear that what President Trump was doing, what a number of people around him were doing, that they knew it was unlawful. They did it anyway. I think you certainly saw that in the decision that was issued by Judge Carter a few weeks ago, where he concluded that it was more likely than not that the president of the United States was engaged in criminal activity.

[OCS: Clinton-nominated activist United States District Court Judge David Carter should be sanctioned for his comment, “Based on the evidence, the Court finds it more likely than not that President Trump corruptly attempted to obstruct the Joint Session of Congress on January 6th, 2021.”

The case (Eastman v. Committee et al., Case 8:22-cv-00099-DOC-DFM) did not involve President Trump, no evidence against Trump was presented, and no due process rights to challenge these unfounded assertions by a sitting judge were accorded to President Trump.]

I think what we have seen is a massive and well-organized and well-planned effort that used multiple tools to try to overturn an election. You have seen just in the last few days a plea agreement from one of the leaders of the Proud Boys, which lays out in really chilling detail the extent to which violence was planned, the extent to which the message that went out on December 19th about the planning -- about the rally in Washington -- and, don’t forget, Donald Trump tweeted out that message: Be there. Be wild.

That, the day after that message, the organization and the planning started, and that they understood, that they knew that they were going to attempt to use violence to try to stop the transfer of power. That is the definition of an insurrection. And it is absolutely chilling.

[OCS: Clearly, this is a classic case of projection where the Committee ascribes elements of their behavior to their opposition. The description, “massive and well-organized and well-planned effort that used multiple tools to try to overturn an election,” could define the Obama White House/Clinton Campaign/Democratic National Committee/Congress attempt to subvert Trump’s candidacy and later his presidency.

The Committee and Democrat Party apparatus are, without a doubt,” criminally guilty of attempting to subvert a presidential election and stage a soft coup to remove a sitting president from office.

Furthermore, this attempt to criminalize political activity to benefit one political party is unseemly and speaks to a broad criminal conspiracy involving Members of Congress.]

TAPPER: And, just to be clear, you have seen this evidence, and you believe President Trump committed these two crimes?

CHENEY: I -- what I have just quoted to you is a public document. It is the plea agreement in the Donohoe case. Everybody can look at it. And I would highly recommend everybody does look at it. It’s the statement of offense in that plea agreement.

[OCS: Bullpucky, the Donohoe case involved a coerced plea bargain to avoid a severe punishment where “Donohoe will admit he conspired with other Proud Boys members to obstruct an official proceeding and assault or resist police officers last year as thousands of supporters of former President Donald Trump stormed the Capitol to stop Joe Biden’s victory from being certified by Congress.”

Again a case totally one-sided and independent of Trump and his constitutionally-guaranteed due process rights.]

The Committee has obviously been focused very much, has got a tremendous amount of testimony and documents that I think very, very clearly demonstrate the extent of the planning and the organization and the objective. And the objective was absolutely to try to stop the count of electoral votes, to try to interfere with that official proceeding. And it’s absolutely clear that they knew what they were doing was wrong, they knew that it was unlawful, and they did it anyway.

[OCS: Much of the testimony and documentation is being withheld from the public and is most likely to be mischaracterized and leaked to favor the Committee’s assertions without challenge or even the legal cross-examination of the deponents by legitimate minority committee members.

As for interfering with the electoral process, one need only look at similar Democrat challenges in previous elections. Nothing is absolutely clear as it remains unvetted and challenged in a court of competent jurisdiction. The Committee is not part of a judicial process and does not have the investigatory powers of U.S. Attorneys. It’s all bullpucky.]

TAPPER: There is a dispute on your Committee, as I don’t need to tell you. Some people feel like a referral, which actually has no legal weight, would only taint the process under which Attorney General Merrick Garland might act. Some feel that that’s the wrong argument, that right is right, and the Committee has the evidence it has. But where do you come down?

CHENEY: There’s not really a dispute on the Committee. The Committee is working in a really collaborative way to discuss these issues, as we are with all of the issues we’re addressing. And we will continue to work together to do so. So, I wouldn’t characterize there as being a dispute on the Committee.

I think that it is the single most collaborative Committee on which I have ever served. I’m very proud of the bipartisan way in which we’re operating. And I’m confident that we will -- we will work to come to agreement on all of the issues that we’re facing. So, I wouldn’t say that it’s accurate right now to say that there’s a dispute on this issue.

[OCS: This is a bald-faced lie. The Committee is conspiring and colluding – not collaborating. Everything is about persecuting and prosecuting President Trump to kill any 2024 presidential candidacy. Nobody is deposing Nancy Pelosi about refusing Trump’s offer of National Guard protection, the orders issued to the Capitol Police, the undue use of force in the murder of Ashli Babbitt, or the participation of covert federal employees in the January 6th event.]

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